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Heat conduction problem with direction dependent parameters
3 years 8 months ago - 3 years 8 months ago #3560
by user85
Hello guys,
I want to simulate a heat conduction problem with a direction dependent heat conductivity. Therefore, I use the H1 finite element space.
The heat conductivity coefficients are stored in separate CoefficientFunctions:
coeff_ax = CoefficientFunction((1/1000,0,0))
coeff_ay = CoefficientFunction((0,1/100000,0))
coeff_az = CoefficientFunction((0,0,1/10000))
Now I want to assemble the BilinearForm:
a = BilinearForm((coeff_ax*(grad(u)[0]) + coeff_ay*(grad(u)[1])+ coeff_az*(grad(u)[2])) * grad(v) * dx)
Is this the best way or is there a more efficient way, e.g., where I only need scalar-valued CoefficientFunctions?
Thank you for your help!
Best,
Max
I want to simulate a heat conduction problem with a direction dependent heat conductivity. Therefore, I use the H1 finite element space.
The heat conductivity coefficients are stored in separate CoefficientFunctions:
coeff_ax = CoefficientFunction((1/1000,0,0))
coeff_ay = CoefficientFunction((0,1/100000,0))
coeff_az = CoefficientFunction((0,0,1/10000))
Now I want to assemble the BilinearForm:
a = BilinearForm((coeff_ax*(grad(u)[0]) + coeff_ay*(grad(u)[1])+ coeff_az*(grad(u)[2])) * grad(v) * dx)
Is this the best way or is there a more efficient way, e.g., where I only need scalar-valued CoefficientFunctions?
Thank you for your help!
Best,
Max
Last edit: 3 years 8 months ago by user85.
3 years 8 months ago - 3 years 8 months ago #3561
by joachim
Replied by joachim on topic Heat conduction problem with direction dependent parameters
the code get's more compact if you use a matrix-CF for the conductivity:
you can print the expression tree:
a rule of thumb is trying to keep the expression tree as compact as possible.
Joachim
Code:
coef_a = CoefficientFunction( ( 1/1000, 0, 0, 0, 1, 0, 0, 0, 10), dims=(3,3) )
BilinearForm( (coef_a * grad(u) ) * grad(v) )
you can print the expression tree:
Code:
print( coef_a * grad(u) * grad(v) )
Joachim
Last edit: 3 years 8 months ago by joachim.
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3 years 8 months ago - 3 years 8 months ago #3595
by user85
Replied by user85 on topic Heat conduction problem with direction dependent parameters
Hello Joachim,
thank you once again for your help. Now I have created a simple python script to simulate such an inhomogeneous heat conductivity problem over time (see example_forum.py).
The example is about a brick element which is heated by a constant heat flow into the element.
However, I wonder about the solution which seems to be unphysical. If I choose the values
to account for direction dependent heat conductivity, I get temperatures (at intermediate points in time) which are below the initial temperature. This cannot be correct since the heat flow into the brick is always positive.
Do you have an answer to this issue?
Thank you very much!
Best,
Max
thank you once again for your help. Now I have created a simple python script to simulate such an inhomogeneous heat conductivity problem over time (see example_forum.py).
The example is about a brick element which is heated by a constant heat flow into the element.
However, I wonder about the solution which seems to be unphysical. If I choose the values
Code:
scal_x = 1
scal_y = 0.01 #1
scal_z = 0.1 #1
to account for direction dependent heat conductivity, I get temperatures (at intermediate points in time) which are below the initial temperature. This cannot be correct since the heat flow into the brick is always positive.
Do you have an answer to this issue?
Thank you very much!
Best,
Max
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Last edit: 3 years 8 months ago by user85.
3 years 8 months ago #3596
by joachim
Replied by joachim on topic Heat conduction problem with direction dependent parameters
Hi Max,
I found two problems:
line 36: gfu_old = gfu
you make gfu_old the same Python object as gfu. Just two names.
I guess you want:
The more serious issue is the missing comparison principle of finite elements, even of of lowest order methods. Thus, also positive sources may lead to negativ temperature. This failure is much more serious for very anisotropic conductivities.
But it works for lowest order mixed or hybrid mixed methods (I think for anisotropic as well) !
Have a look into sections
docu.ngsolve.org/latest/i-tutorials/unit-2.5-mixed/mixed.html
docu.ngsolve.org/latest/i-tutorials/unit-2.7-hybrid/hybrid.html
Joachim
I found two problems:
line 36: gfu_old = gfu
you make gfu_old the same Python object as gfu. Just two names.
I guess you want:
Code:
gfu_old = GridFunction(h1)
gfu_old.vec.data = gfu.vec
The more serious issue is the missing comparison principle of finite elements, even of of lowest order methods. Thus, also positive sources may lead to negativ temperature. This failure is much more serious for very anisotropic conductivities.
But it works for lowest order mixed or hybrid mixed methods (I think for anisotropic as well) !
Have a look into sections
docu.ngsolve.org/latest/i-tutorials/unit-2.5-mixed/mixed.html
docu.ngsolve.org/latest/i-tutorials/unit-2.7-hybrid/hybrid.html
Joachim
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